Bitcoin

[JIRKAHOMOLA]

ted zas doslo ze Comission.bz/betonline, cost velka US sazkovka taky plati na BTC

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[Orbital]

no ted zacli platit i affilaky, asi myslis BOL...
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[JIRKAHOMOLA]

no ted zacli platit i affilaky, asi myslis BOL...
BOVada jeste btc nebere tusim

Jo myslim BOL<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

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[Orbital]

Bitcoin's 'war' could threaten its survival
Tohle je zajimavy a nedoslo mi to. Pokud se zvetsi velikost bloku -> zvysi se minerum naklady -> zvysi se cena btc za jakou budou prodavat (aby nebyli ve ztrate).
Tj. druhy takovy fundamentalni (=nabidkovy, nikoliv poptavkovy) faktor krome puleni, ktery ma potencial zvysit cenu.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[gugatronic3]

to s tou velikosti bloku je zajimavy... in long run se tomu nevyhnou asi... samozrejme ze mineri muzou prskat, ale ta cena pak musi jit nahoru, a jim to muze byt sumak.. pokud to fkt neni o nejakych kapacitach nekterych linek...<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

ted se mi stala vtipna vec:
v jednom okne otevrenej kraken, v druhym delam domenovej pruzkum a projizdim manualne domeny, jestli na nich neni nejaky kontakt info
no a samozrejme asi nejlepsi domena na jakoukoliv btc sazkovku je btcbet.com a ono to vtipne redirectuje na krakena a vlastnik je kraken sam, takze sem si rikal ze se mi zblaznil browser

jen to ukazuje, ze tahle grupa, i kdyz je pozadu, mysli trochu strategicteji <- neboji se nacpat neco malo do poradny brand domeny<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

k tomu opakovanymu pouzivani adres se vaze toto zajimave cteni: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address_reuse<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

tohle je zajimavy: Accenture: UK Government Should Regulate Bitcoin Wallets

The black economy

The submission notes that, under the proposal, bitcoin users would still be able to open and operate anonymous digital currency wallets, but these would fall outside of the “legitimate economy” and reside in the “black economy”.

Because the blockchain acts as a ledger, recording all bitcoin transactions, even those that occur in the black economy will be noted.

“Not only will this help with law enforcement and forensic analysis of anonymous transactions, it will be difficult (if not impossible) for digital currency used in the digital currency black economy to be laundered undetected back into the legitimate digital currency economy,” Accenture said.

Tak si myslim, ze to bude fungovat a do jisty miry to tak funguje uz i dnes, viz muj nedavnej prispevek zde o bankach. Pokud se btc ujme nejak a bude regulovanej, tak bude tlak na tohle oddeleni tech cistych a spinavych bitcoinu. Coz paradoxne u bitcoinu jde lepe nez u penez. Ale ma to taky svuj limit, vzdycky bude mozne nejake procento spinavych primichat k cistym, jinak by spinavci mohli delat utoky nejmensi moznou castkou co by michali nahodne. Tohle maji trochu nedomysleny, proste bude se to nejak odeelovat nejakym skorem cistoty,ale bude to fuzzy.

Lamu si hlavu nad tim, jaka bude hodnota tech starych bitcoinu, ktere budou mit urcite premium (=utracejte sve nejnovejsi bitcoiny); plus si taky rikam, jestli nebude nejaka value ve starych adresach, kde by se mohlo stat to, co s IP adresama, kterych byly bambiliony zadara, nez zacly dochazet a dnes se pronajimaji za jednotky eur/mesic/kus.

Jeste ponzamka k te spinavosti: jeste vic tam bude platit, ze co neni prokazane jako ciste je defaultne spinave. Takze rozdil v penezich za vrazdu a za platbu Uberem nebude. K tyhle presumpci viny uz ma nakroceno opet i nas system, takze zadna velka zmena.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Vlkodlak]

No zajimalo by mě jestli je to navrh jenom na regulaci bitcoinu nebo ceho vseho, protoze kdyby to bylo jenom na btc, tak se samozrejme preleje kotel objemu do ltc, ripple atd. A i kdyz se zreguluje nejsilnejsich 100 men, tak stejne budou vznikat novy meny, ktery budou mit potencial prave kvuli tomu, ze nebudou zregulovany. Takze resit to obecnou regulaci vsech kryptomen, ktery se budou definovat tak, ze jsou na zaklade nejaky technologie? Jako ten navrh zni hezky, ale myslim ze stejne bude porad tezky hlidat tu cistotu, resp. neefektivni. Ne ze bych se za to ale zlobil.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

Tak definovat btc podle me ani nejde, v tom je ten vtip. Nase pravo konci nekde u neceho virtualniho jako jsou penize a dusevni vlastnictvi a tam uz ma problem.

Ale nemuzes definovat, ze nekdo ma bitcoin, protoze ho nikdo nema, i kdyz ho "ma". Bitcoin je jeste o stupen virtualnejsi nez virtualni assets. Tezko se to predstavuje, ale i anse hlava si an to bude muset zvyknout.

Ty predchozi fyzicky statky a virtual assets 1.0 vychazely z nejaky centralni moci statu, ktera to tak nejak certifikovala, to je ale ted passe. Z hlediska statu proste jeho penize se budou nejak zanorovat do cerny diry a nejak jinak se vynorovat. Pokud do toho zanoris to, co popisujes (rika se tomu sidechains, tem alt krypto menam, pegged na btc, ale muze to byt i btc sam, kde ti nejaky mixer nebo wallet za btc da jiny btc), tak to na veci nic nemeni.

Z hlediska rigidniho statu, kterej ztraci moc, to proste odejde do diry a vynori se. A stat se bude snazit delat to jediny co muze, tlacit na tu diru, kde se to vynoruje a prenest odpovednost na toho cloveka co tam bude cashovat, at on sam dokaze, ze ty love jsou cisty.

Coz samozrejme me napada implikace/vosirka jedna, kterou uz ted tak trochu pouzivam. Rekneme ze mas 100 jednotek penez co potrebujes uplne vyprat. S jednou jednotkou udelas to, ze ji nejak prozenes legalnim systemem, pak do toho zapojis tu cernou diru (ano prodavam zvejkacky za bitcoiny) a pak cca tu jednu jednotku vytahnes. V instituci c.1, coz bude typicky banka (v budoucnu btc burza zregulovana). No jenze si udelat 100 takovych bank/burz a na kazdy prokazes, ze ty love co z toho tahas, jsou ty love cos tam nacpal. Jelikoz uvnitr je cerna skrinka, nikdo nevi, ze jsi prave udelal financni perpetuum mobile. Popisuju to zjednodusene, ale az bude ta regulace, tak pujde o tuhle cestu jak to osrat (v kombinaci s sidechains/mixery).<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

Jinak receno: pouziti sidechains samozrejme penize nabarvi na uplne nejcernejsi barvu. Ale budou se hledat excuses, kde se penize musi prece jen projet sidechainem, byt v malym mnozstvi. A s tim malym mnozstvim se bude vselijak handlovat a bude se to amplifikovat tak, ze vlastne bude treba jen trochu cistych penez k ocisteni v dusledku.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

Mimochodem - opravte me jestli se mylim - ale ne-li vsechny tak vetsina tech online wallets, kde ma bitcoiny valna vetsina lidi, prave funguje aspon zcasti jako mixer.

Proste tam "vlozite" nejaky bitcoiny a pak "vyberete". Funguje to jako s penezma, ktery jsou zamenitelny. Bitcoiny jako takovy zamenitelny nejsou, drzite pristup k jednomu zcela konkretnimu kousku blockchainu a prave na tom je zalozena ta regulace. No a uz v tech vlastnostech online wallets, kde vetsina lidi bude tocit love, bude ten dost zasadni. Staty nejsou vubec schopny se shodnout na danovy nebo bankovni regulaci mezi sebou a co se tyce bitcoinu, kde se ani nevi jestli je to mena a jestli to vubec existuje... no to bude legrace.

Ja osobne bych regulaci naprosto uvital, protoze je jasny, ze bude vzdycky mnohem lip obejitelna, ale hlavne se kryptomeny nejak budou kodifikovat a tim ten symbol proste zacne existovat i s posvecenim oficialnich mist. Jak se tohle stane tak se odhodi dalsi stupen rakety a bude to vse za point of no return. Pokud staty nejsou uplne blbe, tak to nechaji v grey zone a budou se modlit at to jeste vydrzi pod poklickou do dalsiho volebniho obdobi, na coz bude slusna sance docela dlouho.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Vlkodlak]

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[Orbital]

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