Bitcoin

Hm to je zajimavy.

Jako zlatej standard je nesmysl. To je proste nepruznej system, kterej byl vytlacenej fiat menama asi tak jako byli nedopujici cyklisti vytlaceny z tour de france. Proste neni nahoda ze nejuspesnejsi ekonomiky sveta si muzou zlatej standard dovolit nejmene. Nicmene teoreticky by taky mohly, protoze:

Dale neni pravda, ze za zlatyho standardu jsou vsechny bankovky kryte zlatem. To je doufam jasny, furt se o tom s nekym v posledni dobe hadam, tak jeste bych mohl zde. Za zlatyho standardu se ty sekundarni penize taky tvori tim multiplikatorem vklad-dluh. Jinak receno, kazdy muze zadat proplaceni svych penez, ale vsechny odvozene penize m1-m5, ktere by taky existovaly, pochopitene byt splacene nemuzou. Nestalo by se teda nic, krome toho, ze by centralni banka odbouchla monetarni politiku a nemohla manipulovat s menovou bazi, kterou by se stalo zlato.

IMO presne tohle se stane s BTC az bude rezervni mena. Jinak receno Bitcoinu bude existovat mnohem vic nez 21 mega. Jakmile se udelaji nejaky penezenky, kde lidi uz neuvidi ty divny znaky a jakmile se rozjedou nejaky pujcky, tak se budou vsichni fiat-haters divit. Uz to exituje nariklad i zde: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Redeemable_code
Nechapu, ze to nikdo nevidi.

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Ale abych se vratil k tomu co pises, tak je to jiste zajimavy. To ze nekdo veri nesmyslu jako zavadeni zlatyho standardu, jeste neznamena, ze kdyz ma nejakou trzni silu, ze neudela disrupci, ktera otevre dvere kryptomene, ktera je jako monetarni baze o dost praktictejsi.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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jak pises no, mozna to Putin smeruje spis k nejake te disrupci pres dluhy, protoze nekolik statu vcetne francie a italie treba, jsou uz imho za hranou a jen se hraje gamble kdy neco takoveho prijde... a ono pres tu surovinovou kartu se to uhrat asi da... evrope pak nezbude nic jine nez se s Putinem domluvit nejak... zlato v tom sehraje spis jen roli "my zlato mame, my jsme v pohode", ze pak nejvic muze ziskat nejaka cryptomena mi z toho ale vychazi...<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egJdGjKzPUo<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Ti Rusaci by mohli zabrat no, kdyz si ted svoji dementni zahranicni politikou znicili rubl. Mohli by udelat konecne neco poradnyho pro destrukci sveta a zacit masivne pouzivat Bitcoin.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Čas nakoupit Rubl, ruská národní banka zvedla úrok na 17.5% :toothy8: Už vidím ty fronty na termíňáky v Rublech:-)<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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No ted sem na to tema cetl clanek, ze to zacina mit pomalu value, ale je to jako chytat padajici nuz. To mi prislo jako dobra analogie. Bitcoin je imo v podobny fazi. Z livka to clovek taky zna, neco jako sazet ML v situaci kdy tym prave prohrava o nekolik skore.

Co se Ruska tyce, tak si myslim, ze amici ale proste Ukrajinu neodpusti a pujdou cestou Francie/Versailles. Tj. tim, co udelali Saddamovi i Kaddafimu a nechaji v tom putina a Rusko vykoupat az do mrte. Cim vic USA slabne, tim min jsou schopnynebo ochotny jit do kompromisu mi prijde. Tj. imo jeste pritvrdi a podrzi to az do zmeny rezimu. A pak bude opravdu veselo. Takze ten nuz asi nechat jeste padat. Ale doufam, ze tahle sazka mi nevyjde.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Moje ruština už není co bývala, ale rozumím z nápisu na stolečku, že Putin zakládá ruskou sázkovku s názvem 30BET, která je financována VTB Bankou? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Russians move into bitcoin as ruble tanks<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Zajimavej tip na akcie imo: https://www.google.com/finance?cid=716346
Hodne se angazuji v kryptomenach, nejen bitcoin, ale ted ohlasili spolupraci s Ripple. Zkouseji p2p pujcky. Takova progresivni Nemecka banka.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Rakouska banka mi prave napsala, ze nesmim ze svyho uctu kupovat BTC, jinak mi zavre ucet. Tenhle svet jde fakt do pice docela rychlym tempem.

No tak zacnu kupovat z offshorky. Nic mi nedalo silnejsi signal k nakupu cc, nez prave tohle. Protoze k cemu mi jsou eura jako penize, kdyz s nima muzu kupovat cim dal min veci.

Do toho par minut pote mi psala jina banka, ze od 1.1.2015 mi na Eurovy vklady da uzasnou urokovou miru -0.2 % p.a. To je dalsi pruser pro vsechny. Malym vkladum se samozrejme tohle vyhne, tam bude uz dozivotni 0, nicmene s tema negativnima urokovyma mirama budou mit problem vsichni vetsi. Takze rekneme Moneybookers. Oni budou platit za to, ze vase Eura budou lezet nekde v bance, takze se budou snazit lidi jeste vic zdimat nejakym a poplatkama a picovinama.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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právě dnes jsem četl jak se banky bojí bitcoinů

Why the world's banks should stop shunning bitcoin<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Jo. Proste o to se hraje. Vyprat prachy s bitcoinama je easy. Veskery opatreni statu a vlad jsou proti prani spinavych a nezdanenych penez. A volnej trh chce a potrebuje prat tyhle penize, protoze je sam produkuje. To je cele.

Nejak se ty brany fiat<->btc trochu zreguluji, ale nikdy to nebude tak brutalni ajkodneska, kde proste jak posila clovek 10K Eur+, tak bud ceka telefon z banky, nebo si radsi plati banku, kde za transakci plati 100E+. Tech 100E+ je dnes cena svobodnych penez. A to je proste moc.

Banky jsou posrany z politiku a budou posrane i z odlivu klientu.

Ale uz se dejou i v Cesku pochody v pozadi, kde CS i KB jak jdou do hajzlu diky Fiu, Airbank apod. tak maji narizeni, at jsou benevolentnejsi k zakladani novych uctu a at nebuzerujou klienty az tak moc. Konkurence je velika a nekdo pujde z kola ven. Nejvetsi klienti nemaji cisty love a o ne se bude hrat hodne.

Prichazeji zajimave casy. Ale opakuju. Bitcoin je ted neskutecne levny jen diky tomu tlaku mineru, kteri vse prodavaji a srazeji cenu k 300/btc. Tenhle tlak pomine. Pokud mate nejaky volny prachy, nebal bych se s mensim bankem jit az k 10% do btc, neco malicko do ripple mozna. kdyz byl btc za 50 nebo za 5 uz nevim, tak sem psal, ze jednou bude za 1000 a stalo se. Sazim na to dost. Tohle forum ma prokleti, ze co se sem napise to nevyjde, pokud se to vsadi, ale ted se to zlomi :)<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Fio je s pravidelnejma prevodama 10000 € z a na btc burzy naprosto vpohode. A to za cenu 20 Kc za sepa ve Fio cz nebo zdarma ve fio sk. Staci vedet od koho a komu penize posilas a ze dodrzuje nejaky anti money lanundering/know your customer policy. A cena za svobodny penize (=cena za mezinarodni platbu z banky v Singapuru, Hongkongu nebo nekde mimo EU nebo USA) je kolem 10 €.
Jinak Ceska Sporitelna je jedna z nejbenevolentjensich k bitcoinu. Maj u ni € ucty anxpro.com (Hong Kong), itbit.com (Singapur) a btc-e.com (Bulharsko?) a to proste proto, ze zadna jina levnejsi banka nechtela sprostredkovavat penize pro btc burzu a protoze nejaky 200 Kc za sepa platbu jsou porad lepsi nez mezinarodni platby meni EU.
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Ano, 10K E je hezky, potrebuju trochu jinej rad. 10K mi prevede (temer) kazdej.

Neni pravda ze musis vedet komu penize posilas - proste ja, moje firma, moji partneri jsou az na vyjimky jako karibsky sazkovky, naprosto top byznys a stejne me proverujou. Prachy na Skrillu maji byt taktez provereny a stejne vysiraji prorelativne maly castky. Nicmene oni vysiraji proste vsechny. Narazil jsme na shit banku. Fidor (ta nemecka banka Krakena), si s nima prej popovida, tak to jsem zvedavej.

Cena za svobodny penize neni 10E, ale 100E+ za platbu bohuzel (resp. kolem stovky to byva minimum u skutecne top bank, pak je tam jeste %ni cut; z Nejmenovany pobocky UK banky na Channel islands to byva cca polovic a taky je to tak napul anonymni banka), a ani tyhle penize nejsou svobodny, jen se te ptaji cca u 250K E a tak nejak vic v klidu. Za 10 E neposles bank wire ani z nejvic lowcost bank (nemluvim o Sepa).

Btc-e.com ma ucet u Komercky, nikoliv u CS a jsou to Rusaci (Alex&Alex). Mimochoem si za prichozi platbu uctuji 1% bez capu, cimz ty jejich o neco nizsi kurzy ztraceji na atraktivite, jak jsme to tak zkoumal. Zvlast v kombinaci s maximalnim vyberem 100 BTC + soustavnymi problemy s hacknutim uctu (byt to byly hacky uctu patrici idiotum).

S Asii nemam zkusenosti, chystam se tam. Nicmene tve informace jsou skutecne dost nepresne. Tim bych te nerad shazoval v prvnim prispevku. Jen prosim bud skutecne osobni zkusenosti, nebo to oznacit necim jako "domnenka".<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Ano, 10K E je hezky, potrebuju trochu jinej rad. 10K mi prevede (temer) kazdej.

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Aha, moje zkusenosti jsou jen s castkama do 20 k€.

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Původně odeslal Orbital

Btc-e.com ma ucet u Komercky, nikoliv u CS a jsou to Rusaci (Alex&Alex). Mimochoem si za prichozi platbu uctuji 1% bez capu, cimz ty jejich o neco nizsi kurzy ztraceji na atraktivite, jak jsme to tak zkoumal. Zvlast v kombinaci s maximalnim vyberem 100 BTC + soustavnymi problemy s hacknutim uctu (byt to byly hacky uctu patrici idiotum).

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Driv meli u CS, potom, podle toho, co rikas, asi u KB. Ted jsem koukal a jsou u Cesky GE money. Zajimavy ze vsechno cesky banky. Jsou to rusaci, ja ale myslel, kde oficialne sidli firma provozujici btc-e a to je podle vseho Bulharsko nebo Kypr. Jsou ale velmi netransparentni a ani se nada snadno dohledat kdo za tim stoji na jejich webu. Proto a pro jejich vysoky poplatky jsem tam nikdy nic nevlozil.

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S Asii nemam zkusenosti, chystam se tam. Nicmene tve informace jsou skutecne dost nepresne. Tim bych te nerad shazoval v prvnim prispevku. Jen prosim bud skutecne osobni zkusenosti, nebo to oznacit necim jako "domnenka".

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Tak to budou proste ty rusaci co zijou v cesku jinak to neni mozny. To jejich stridani bank je zajimavy.

Ona ta netransparentnost v Bitcoinu a vsech grey areas neni vubec na skodu, protoze pak ta firma neni vulnerable tem man in the middle attackum, viz. ten debil Fuka. Jakmile nekdo neco dela oficialne, je na nej paka. A burza btc je ta spojka regulovanyho a neregulovanyho sveta. Pokud je vlastnik neznamy a backuje ho jeho minulej byznys, tak ja bych mu veril vic, nez znamymu a od vlad vydiratelnymu byznysu. Viz. 5dimes, Greek, heriatge vs. regulovany sazkovky. Tem prvnim se da verit mnohem vic, pac jejich byz je jen o duvere. Ted je fakt otazka jak duveryhodny to btc-e, je. Ja mam ted prebytky eur, takze je v dohledny dobe netestnu.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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No rekl bych, ze pro statni autority neni tak podstatny, jak moc jsou transparentni. Proste si dojdou za jejich bankou, v tomhle pripade Ceskou, ktera je v EU a SEPA, takze si nemuze delat uplne co chce, a naridej ji zablokovat jejich ucet a poskytnout udaje o majiteli. Jejich zakaznici ale musej jen doufat, ze jim jejich penize u nich nezmizej a kdyz zmizej, tak s tim moc nenadelaj.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Technickej dotaz na ten bitcoinclock a to, kdy dojde k puleni vytezenych btc.

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pokud tomu dobre rozumim, tak slozitost se urcuje tak, aby se blok tezil 10 minut (10 minut je bulharska konstanta v protokolu), a slozitost se urcuje tak aby to vyslo... jenze tim ze slozitost porad roste, tak se block tezi cca 9 minut a 20 vtein v prumeru, cca o 7 procent rychlej, takze pokud to tak pujde dal da se cekat spis: Jun 20, 2016. (ale nepocital jsem to, jen jsem to opsal odsud:

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Ano, je to tak, jak píše gugatronic3. Rostoucí výkon znamená vyšší rychlost těžení a to přepočítávání složitosti vždy zaostává.
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No ten BTclock to pocita jak? jako extrapolaci zalozenou na posledni slozitosti? nebo to bere nejaky trend?

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husty veci se dejou
dnes behem okamziku btc spadl po mnoha propadech z 220 na 150, jsem netusil, ze kdy budu moct nakoupit takovy kvanta btc

ted teda uz nekupuju, ale pripravuju dalsi velky nakupy

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taky jsem nakoupil - pro tyhle případy mám automatické nákupy na hladinách kolem -50, teď mi to nakoupilo na ceně 168 dolarů, část stahuji do cold wallet, část dávam na auto sell kolem hladiny +50, pokud to stoupne, stáhnuté btc jsou čistý zisk<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Původně odeslal wade

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kde to tradujes, ze tam mas take fajn stop lossiky :)

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