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riskovat celej bank proste nelze

riskovani celeho banku je i mit vsechny love na jedne sazkovce/BF

a risk, ze se neco vysere technicky je mnohem vyssi nez krach BF se kterym se musi pocitat, vzdyt tech pripadu neni malo (eg. nekolik do roka), ze se v trejdovani vyskytne nejaka anomalie

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Jasne, ale na mojej strane sa technicky poserie nieco raz rocne, ale na strane BF sa to serie podstatne castejsie nez je zdrave. Samozrejme, ze je potrebne pocitat s technickym problemom, krachom, atd atd., ale ak by som mal brat do uvahy skutocnu pravdepodobnost, ze sa na strane BF nieco posere, tak neobchodujem vobec, lebo ta pravdepodobnost je vyssia nez je predpokladany vynos. Tak ja sa hram na to, ze pravdepodobnost je mala a BF sa hra na to, ze im to funguje :)<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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Pouzivat tak velkou cast banku je velke riziko. Tech 40% je cisty gamble. Nevim jaky sport obchodujes, ale ja u tenisu tak velkou cast nikdy neriskuju. U koni je to riziko asi mensi, ale porad tam je. Prijit o necelou polovinu banku kvuli vypadku BF musi byt pekny pocit. Ja treba v tenise muzu podat protisazku na nejake Sk, ale to u koni neni mozne.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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40% mi prijde jeste relativne ok, mozna prestrelene, ale ne silene... 40% neni 100%
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Na dostihoch v zasade nevidim nejaky zasadny problem s rizikom bliziacim sa k 100%, pokial vsak nenastane vypadok. To je asi jedine (a najvacsie) riziko. Vo futbale som tocil najprv 10 neskor som to zvysil na vyssie cisla a niekedy (malokedy) je to aj 100% banku, ak je situacia na to stavana. Bezne je to vsak na futbale 10-25% banku. Kelly mi dovoluje ist na 40, ale na to treba mat gule.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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tohle jsem bral jako 100%

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Jde o to ze vyuzivam 100% pracovniho kapitalu co mam na ucte BF, samozrejme to neni muj cely bank, ten bych nevyuzil kvuli nizke likvidite.. Tenis inplay a tradovani koni pred startem nelze srovnavat, na konich si muze dovolit daleko vic, trh je stabilni a nerozhoduje vyvoj hry, pro skalpera, ktery bere 1 tick jsou take vypadky katastrofalni, nedovedu si predstavit, ze by se neco takove stalo u renomovaneho brokera na Forexu, to by razem ztratil vetsinu klientu. U BF jsem na vypadky zvykly, samozrejme si mi to nelibi, ale hlavne jde o to jak se BF postavil k vyporadani sazek, kdy cast zrusil a cast vyhodnotil, to je proste bordel...<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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...... hlavne jde o to jak se BF postavil k vyporadani sazek, kdy cast zrusil a cast vyhodnotil, to je proste bordel...

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Zdravim, delsi dobu se chci zeptat na tento pripad u sazeni pred zapasem. Vsadim malou castku na zapas, kde vidim dost vsazenych penez. Napr. 20 eur (tedy kapka v mori vsazenych penez) na under 2.5 golu v kursu opet napr 1.78. Kurs poklesne na napr. 1.74, tedy na tlacitku VYPLATA jsem okamzite ve ztrate. Ve ztrate pred zacatkem zapasu jsem i po vylezeni kursu zpet na 1.78. Pripadne meho vitezstvi si BF strhne sva procenta, to chapu, ale ted si myslim, ze me BF obira jeste pri vsazeni. Vysvetli mi to nekdo?

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Diky za odpoved, ale myslel jsem, ze tech 5 proc. si strhnou po ukonceni matche.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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