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[Hokkaido]

Dava to docela smysl, Monero si ted uziva svuj mesic slavy, velky rust ceny, implementace na ruznych darkmarkets... Otazka je, jak velky vyznam bude mit do budoucna, kdyz bude mozne (po segwit) i s BTC transakce ukladat nekam off-chain a nahrat je az kdyz to bude potreba.

Jinak Trezor mi sice neprijde jako neco nutneho, ale pry ted nestihaji vyrabet. Ve vysledku ten kus plastu za $99 ma nulovou hodnotu a veskerou hodnotu ma seed fraze, kterou si napisu jako zalohu trezoru (a pak idealne nekam offline schovam).
Nicmene stejne jsem si to poridil, poslal jsem si tam nejake BTC a ETH a z uzivatelskeho hlediska fajn a spokojenost. Kdybych nebyl tak liny a umel python, tak bych tomu jakozto smysluplne veci pomohl.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[gugatronic3]

myslis ze si uziva slavu? roste jen jako trh v prumeru a jeho market cap se relativne proti jinym propada..<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

https://medium.com/@SDWouters/why-sc...y-9b7718e7861c<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

Me se to Monero libilo a dal se mi libi ze to eni spin off btc jen a ze se asi pouziva nejvic k nejakym realnym transakcim. Ale nejak jsem se nedocet jak moc je skalovatelny a tusim ze to nic moc nebude a ze i ted ten limit bude o dost niz nez u BTC. Do toho je v nem mnohem min penez na vyvoj, kterej je delanej od zacatku a jeho jedina vyhoda - anonymita - prestane byt tak exkluzivni. Tim nemyslim ze jsou tu jiny anonym meny jako dash nebo zcash, ale ze tak do roka a do dne po segwitu tu bude tumblebit a moznost skutecny anonymizace btc.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Vlkodlak]

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles...ates-keep-eye/

jestli se nekdo vyzna v tech ruznejch typech btc, tak gratuluju. Je to samej bip a pripada mi, ze drzet btc je ted dost nejisty, proc taky, kdyz litecoin umi to samy<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Vlkodlak]

Slovo do pranice z nejake diskuze:

I don't have time to say anything else interesting today, since we are hard at work improving the system. I just wanted to point out that Litecoin is at the top of an enormous cup-and-handle formation that spans back for about three years.

When ETH's chart looked like this, it was worth $18; now it is worth $280. When bitcoins looked like this, they were worth $1137; now they are worth $2500.

If a breakout occurs, then this will further confirm my theory, which I've had since they were worth $4, that litecoins have been ridiculously undervalued for a long time. Segwit2x, assuming that it actually gets adopted and that bitcoin survives the DDoS attacks and other criminal activity to come, will result in a bitcoin network that is no more than half as capable than litecoin is. Litecoin is API-compatible and is a drop-in replacement for Bitcoin.

But that doesn't tell the entire story, because litecoin has more functional miners behind it, who are not mired in petty disputes. The bitcoin war will continue, because the "solution" will barely increase capacity. Even if litecoin doesn't have as many developers behind it, they can just copy code from bitcoin without all the political drama, and still produce a better product. The coin already has transaction fees on the order of cents compared to Bitcoin's dollars.

That's why people like us have switched their default coin to litecoin rather than bitcoin. The only possible reason why litecoin should be worth less than bitcoin right now is simply because people are still switching away from bitcoin. The size of our Bitcoin transactions has plummeted since last week when we removed it as the default coin. Those who are stumped by why the number of transactions on the bitcoin network has declined recently should recognize that once people like us switch networks, there is no reason to ever switch back. Bitcoin's current state is still worse than Litecoin is.

The future is a multi-coin world, where money flows between networks based on which one is the most capable. There are no "altcoins" anymore. The price of litecoins over the coming days will demonstrate that users are not satisfied with the supposed "consensus" on Segwit2x, and that they will take their money to the network that is the easiest to use and which has the lowest fees.

tady: https://forums.prohashing.com/viewto...4&p=6981#p6981<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

The future is a multi-coin world

Nejiste je temer vse, ale to vyse uvedene je proste nesmysl a zbozny prani flipperu. Jestli neco fakt vylucuju, tak je to tohle. To uz spis bitcoin padne a bude misto nej nejaky jiny coin, nez aby tu existovalo hodne coinu, ktery lidi muzou mezi sebou prepinat.

No a ze LTC je to pravy orechovy, za predpokladu ze BTC failne? https://www.litecoinpool.org/pools To tezeni je jeste vic centralizovany v Cine nez BTC a jsou to ty samy owneri jako u BTC. Plus LTC proste jen krade ten kod z BTC core a BTC core devs na LTC nemaji zajem (i kvuli tomu, ze LTC je prave obsazenej cinanama).

Takze pokud bude flip, tak fakt nevim proc by LTC mel byt favorit. Podle me je to boure ve sklenici vody a BTC ted prave ma ten pravej podnet dojit ke konsenzu. To je cely jak par tejdnu pred volbama, nakonec se vsichni dohodnou treba s komunistama.

Podle me pokud tu bude nastupce BTC tak logika je zkusit neco hodne jinyho, tj. nonPOW coin.

Plus nejaky 3 yr cup and handle TA magie, to fakt svedci o nejaky mentalni nemoci toho pisatele. Neni mozny delat TA na tak rostoucim trhu jako kryptomeny, kde vse se navzajem doplnuje, konkuruje, vznikaji a zanikaji meny, jsou tu puleni jak BTC tak LTC. Altcoiny jsou podle me teprv pred korekci. Segwit2x IMHO projde, po tom pujde btc nekam na 4K tipuju.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Vlkodlak]

To ze projde segwit2x, si taky myslim a uzivatele to nakonec zkousnou, ale podniti to cast lidi k nespokojenosti s btc, protoze to neni uplne koser co se tyce komunitniho konsenzu a je to krok ke korporatnimu coinu. Proc zrovna ltc to taky nevim, ale roste, tak to bude asi proto, ze je podobny btc. Flipu bych se neobaval, ale pokud budou nejaky obstrukce s tema forkama a budou existovat 4 btc najednou tak jenom na miste ze by to melo ztracet na valuaci. Tam bych vedel prostor pro ltc, kterej je aspon technologicky vepredu a dlouho na trhu, aby si trosku nasalo pro sebez toho co ukapne.
Ono je to velky lakadlo kupovat altcoiny, jejichz cap se muze snadno znasobit.

Segwit2x IMHO projde, po tom pujde btc nekam na 4K tipuju.

Takze predpokladas, ze az segwit dopadne, tak ze pujdou altcoiny do korekce a btc poroste z toho, nebo ze prijdou novy investice?

Moje predstava je taky multi-coin world, pricemz ale bude stale existovat jeden dominantni coin. Ty ostatni prosadivsise se coiny budou mit nezanedbatelnou hodnotu, o mnoho vetsi nez dnes, ale k flipu dochazet nebude, nebude to tak promenlivy<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

Muj tip je, ze to skutecne podniti jeste mirne receneno fakt velkou nasranost ty casti lidi a nejaky core-altcoin se zmenenym anti-ASIC POW. A muj tip je ze tenhle altcoin bude vsem uplne u prdele asi na urovni ETC. Platit se bude tim cemu se bude rikat bitcoin. Ta bitva je o jmeno a symbol a tam se to rozhodne. Kdo bude mit brand vyhraje a userum bude uplne jedno esli je to corporate coin nebo UASF coin. I ten centralizovanejsi coin je stale jeste dost decentralizovany IMHO, problem centralizace jsou hlavne burzy a fiat<->crypto.

Dlouhodobe jde o ten coin, kterym se bude platit a to ze univerzalne. Coinu bude existovat hodne, cim dal vic, ale jako prostredek smeny se pouzivat bude jeden a ten prezije i vsechny altcoin bubbles a jejich pady, byt se bude vyvyjiet (=forkovat).

Jo myslim si ze btc po segwitu oproti altcoinum hodne vyroste, vsak vyrostl prave ten LTC se segwitem a to navzdory tomu, ze je to jeste mnohem vic cinska mena a ze ten segwit potreboval mnohem min nez btc. Ale samozrejme vzhledem k zakladni valuaci BTC a tomu ze segwit uz je nejak priced in tak BTC nevyskoci tak silene jako vyskocil ted na jare LTC.

A s casem pak je klidne mozny ze altcoiny zas budou rust. Ta dominantni kryptomena pouzivana k placeni, muze jit s podilem klidne pod 10% capu, to je irelevantni. Ta kryptomena pouzivana k placeni bude proste specialni menou. Ty altcoiny budou neco uplne jineho. Stejne jako kdyz nekdo na zacatku 20 stoleti by dal penize do USD a nekdo jinej do akcii a i kdyby byl byval zachovan zlaty standard a deflacni dolar, tak by ty akcie vynesly vice. Tak i ty alcoiny skutecne muzou a budou vic vynosne, pokud neco prinesou. Problem altcoinu ted je, ze fakt neni jasny jestli neco prinesou a jestli to bude na globalni skale. Vetsina z nich zcela jiste bude uplne na hovno. Je otazka zda jich aspon nekolik prezije a pokud ano tak jak. Zda budou specializovane, nebo zda uspejou platformy na kterych neco bude neco postaveno (ETH, Stratis, Waves, Ubiq...). Anebo zda uspejou jeste vic advanced platformy 3. generace jako Iota. Anebo spis jestli se nema cekat na 4tou nebo patou generaci a neuspeje az nejaky altcoin, co se fakt pouci ze vsech chyb tech puvodnich. Z tohohle duvodu se mi fakt ale fakt nelibi ETH, ktery sice tezi z toho prvotniho napadu, ale ten legacy ocas, ktery si tahne podobne jako BTC, u nej muze byt fakt pruser. U BTC to vypda ze ma svoji specializaci a tou je proste zprostredkovavat platby a podle toho se muze krasne morfovat. U ETH mi prijde, ze to muze byt peknej pruser, ze se proste nemuze jen tak menit pro jeden ucel, protoze to znici jinej ucel. A obavam se ze nikdo jeste nevi jaky funkce blockchainu trh bude vubec chtit, takze je to vsechno investovani do altcoinu brutalni strelba na slepo.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[spy_press]

V Amsterdamu ted probehla konference o budoucnosti bitcoinu, nechybel Jihan ci Craig Wright. V Polis se jeden z ucastniku rozpovidal a nemohl se prej ubranit dojmu, ze s hard forkem vsichni pocitaj jako s hotovou veci. Na druhou stranu jako s hotovou veci se ocividne pocita i s implementaci segwitu, coz nahrava tezi, ze je to priced in. Protoze podle soucasnyho vyvoje ceny btc to na nejaky neresitelny schizma nevypada, pak je ale argument, ze nebejt onech sporu, cena btc mohla byt treba jeste vyse.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

on je takovej polovtip, ze do ceny btc je uz zapocitano puleni az do roku 2140
ja si myslim ze ten segwit z velky casti zapocitanej je a z velky casti neni

zaroven si ale myslim, ze z mnohem vetsi casti neni priced in do cen altcoinu a to hlavne teda do ceny ETH, kde je nadsena flippening fanouskovska zakladna

je teda fakt ze u blockchainu se vsichni stavame jeste 100x vetsima ideologama nez normalne, takze az lidi z ETH prijdou an to ze flippening nebude, tak je mozny, ze budou tu cenu skutecne dal drzet pod nejakou jinou zaminkou nebo vitalik vytahne nejaky novy ICO nebo buhvico

ono ty fanousci ETH se rekrutuji ideologicky z r/btc/, kde je to fakt maso

na druhou stranu si teda rikam, kdyz oponuju sam sobe, ze ten svet blockchainu je takova startup 2.0 scena a ty startupy i kdyz jsou nebo to byly temer vsechno strasny picoviny, tak se fakt uz drzi pres dekadu a prameny nevysychaji<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Hokkaido]

Viz druhy (a predposledni) sloupec: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Segwit_support<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Vlkodlak]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dash...7026?ls=1&mt=8

Takze Dash je uz oficialne podporovanej Applem. To vypada na silny slovo do krypto pranice.
Jak o nem pisi:

Dashwallet is the first iPhone wallet for Dash - Digital Cash - a better innovative alternative to bitcoin.

Dash is a crypto currency that seeks out fix the flaws that other crypto currencies suffer from. It relies on a network of Masternodes to allow such things as anonymity, instant transaction, and direct funding mechanism to kickstart innovative ideas.

Intuitive and secure, dashwallet gives you complete control over your digital cash. Send and receive dash payments instantly, with the safest mobile wallet available.

Dashwallet is the first and only iPhone wallet which connects directly to the dash network. This means that there are no servers to get hacked or go down - your funds are always safe. Even if your phone is lost, damaged or stolen, you can easily recover your funds using your personal recovery phrase.

Dashwallet is the descendant of breadwallet, a Bitcoin wallet for iPhone. We commend Aaron Voisine, creator of breadwallet, for his work. In Dashwallet we kept the beautiful simplicity that makes breadwallet a great bitcoin wallet.

Features:

* Send and receive dash payments in seconds, online or in person
* Send payments to merchants that only accept bitcoin directly with Shapeshift.io
* One button payments to dash-accepting merchants and websites
* Store your dash safely and securely using built in hardware encryption
* Simple recovery phrase enables you to recover funds when your device is lost or broken
* Direct dash network client - no servers to get hacked or go down

Dashwallet is open source and free. There are no extra transaction fees or costs. Send any amount of money to anyone in the world instantly. This is how money should be.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

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[Vlkodlak]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042470.0
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