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  1. #1

    Bitcoin a blocksize debata

    Jiste to vsichni sledujete. Je to trochu jako tragedie obecni pastviny. Mineri musi zmenit kod tak, aby transakce mohly probihat nadale smooth, ale moc se jim nechce, protoze jednak muzou tratit financne, protoze tim klesnou feecka a jednak je potreba hromadna akce, protoze se tim bitcoin rozvoji (proto fork).

    Ja k tomu chci pridat jednu takovou poznamku ze zemi tretiho sveta. Platebni system unese mnoho. To, ze nekdy ty transakce pujdou hodne pomalu, nebo ze feecka pujdou nahoru neni vubec problem. Lidi co pouizvaji bitcoiny k tem vetsim transakcim stejne nemaji moc alternativ. kdyz vidim brazilce jak dekady laboruji se zaseklymi POS terminaly a nic se nedeje, tak se nebude nic moc dit ani u btc (krome poklesu ceny). Naopak si myslim, ze se neco spatneho bude muset skutecne dit, aby se mineri rozhoupali. To jen tak nejak dopredu, az/pokud ten problem nastane. Bitcoin funguje v prostredi zcela volneho trhu, takze se nejake reseni i v katastrofickem scenari vyloupne, protoze se nekomu vyplati a nikdo ho nebude moct zakazat.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  2. #2
    to ode me nekdo opsal http://www.coindesk.com/1mb-block-size-today-bitcoin/<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  3. #3
    MGT's Bitcoin Mining Facility to Counter Growing Chinese Dominance? - NEWSBTC
    toto je zajimavy a dobra zprava pro cenu btc... i po puleni tu proste mineri budou, protoze se spusti treba tenhle projekt<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  4. #4
    https://blog.bitmain.com/en/uahf-con...n-uasf-bip148/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/com...accept_segwit/

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/com...f_bitcoin_not/

    Debata uz se zrejme vyresila. Bitmain vydal stanovisko, ze bud se segwit realizuje podle jeho predstav nebo pujdou do hard forku a rozdeleni chainu.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  5. #5
    Ja bych to bral stale tak, ze Jihan neni idiot a snazi se maximalizovat zisk. To je muj mentalni axiom. Ted teda nevim jak. Jestli tohle byla snaha o bluf tak melka. Jeste se neco do 1.8. stane. Minimalne hromada kecu co bude hybat cenou.

    Ale to dulezity mi prijde, ze segwit projde na jakymkoliv chainu. Prijde mi, ze i tech 2 - X MB neudela takovou skodu jak to negativni PR kolem. Segwit je dulezitej. Umozni spoustu veci, ktery jsou dulezity pro persistenci proti tomu statnimu shitstormu co prijde.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  6. #6
    Mne se teda libi Jihanova pozice (bejt v jeho situaci), on defakto muze temahle prohlasenima vyvijet tlak na svoje odpurce, cimz jsou vsichni co jsou pro uasf a core, zastavajici zdravej rozvoj chainu skrze legitimni consenzus vetsiny v komunite. Kdyz mu ta snaha nevyjde, nebo jenom blafuje, tak primeje odpurce efektivne a rychle nasadit segwit, na cemz vlastne taky vydela, protoze vysledkem bude ze btc pujde nahoru a tezeni btc je jeho byznys. Pokud ten fork opravdu udela, tak samozrejme na tom vydela, protoze to je v prve rade jeho planem. Fees z tezby velkych bloku + prodany procesory mu budou jeste hodne vynaset a pri tom je slusna sance ze btc zustane top, protoze jak jednou popularita prekroci urcitej prah, tak uz se na ideologii produktu tolik nehledi (taky, je na zvazeni, jestli vubec existuje coin, kterej by v tyhle situaci byl vic decentralizovanej jak btc a mohl si tu vlastnost uchovat i do potencialniho rustu na uroven btc, pokud by jej mel nahradit). Btc je v tomhle smeru jako rychle rozjetej vlak.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  7. #7
    J. Taky mi prijde ze pro nej je to cely win-win a pochopitelny chovani. Nepochopitelna je ta suita nohsledu.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  8. #8
    jeden dobrej argument, proc mozna nekteri mineri otevrene nepodporujou segwit nebo podporujou bitmain je snaha vytvorit iluzi, ze novej chain s aktivovanym segwitem nebude podporovanej vetsinou a ta bude bud tezit legacy chain(puvodni) anebo se pridaj k uahf od jihana. Po aktivaci segwitu budou existovat 2 chainy (mozna 3 pokud to jihan spusti, ale ten existovat privatne po prvni tri dny) a novej btc se segwit tak bude levnejsi. V tom pripade by v momente aktivace forku vsichni najednou prepli na segwit, a zaroven kupovali. To by byl moment, kdy by vetsinovy publikum bylo jeste na pochybach, co se vlastne deje, protoze mineri do predu nic neavizovali.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  9. #9
    https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles...though-bip148/<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  10. #10
    Tak jeste trochu natlaku od Cinanu: "We are eager to activate the New York Consensus Segwit2x program by July 31st." https://news.bitcoin.com/chinese-miners-segwit2x/<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  11. #11
    https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pi...ne/000149.html
    uz jsem to tu psal myslim pred asi 3mi tydny, ty drivechains zacinaji byt hot tema

    neco se patrne pohne

    mj. se hybe i to, ze mi prijde ze uz nikdo nerozumi vubec nicemu

    po druhy generaci kryptomen - platformach, je tu treti generace; zadna nema komercni vyuziti, skaluje vse krom btc, kde to patrne taky neni treba, viz opet temer prazdny mempool; core proti segwit2x i BIP148

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  12. #12
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    Podivejte se na tu iracionalitu, jak na 300 sat/B najednou silene naskoci transakce.

    A podivejme se na nejoblibenejsi sluzbu odhadovani feecek. Jaka shoda.
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    Takze ted je prakticky prazdej mempool a feecka se stejne drzi nahore. Uplne nesmyslne. Kazdopadne to ukazuje jak ten trh je iracionalni. A ze zadny zvyseni poctu transakci z technickyho hlediska neni nutny. Ze kdyby core udelali lepsi odhad feecek a obesli vsechny vyrobce penezenek, tak by patrne pro btc udelali mnohem lip.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  13. #13
    a je to tu vypada to i z blockchain analyzy ze si to mineri posilaj sami https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/com..._drive_up_txn/<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  14. #14
    https://blog.sia.tech/choosing-asics...a-b318505b5b51

    „Still, miners with 51% hashrate are able to double-spend at will; they are able to censor transactions at will; and if they want, they can even mine exclusively empty blocks, effectively killing off the currency. But all of these actions have market-based consequences, and ultimately nullify billions of dollars of mining hardware.“<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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  15. #15
    To je urcite pravda, ze 51% attack je overhyped.

    Porad nechapu co maji vsichni proti POS. Prijde mi, ze je to dany tim, ze jsou to vsechno technicky lidi.

    To, co zde uvadi jako nevyhodu, me osobne prijde jako vyhoda.

    Even if we assume that Proof of Stake is solvable, it has an unavoidable property that I really dislike. Once you get stake in a Proof of Stake system, by following the rules and being attentive you can guarantee that you never lose that stake. If someone were to get 51% control, they have that control forever. And it’s true at smaller amounts too, if someone gets 5% control, they have that control forever. Proof of Work is different, because maintaining control requires actively burning electricity. And at any point in time, someone else can come along and burn electricity themselves, which reduces the total percentage of hashrate that you have. Essentially, with Proof of Work, you have to remain active, competitive, and invested to maintain control. And if the userbase doesn’t like you, they can potentially fund their own miners to regain control.

    Prijde mi, ze pro lidskou psychiku je blockchain silene likvidni a neuchopitelny. Rekneme podobne jako nejefektivnejsi ekonomiky dnes nejsou ani likvidni kapotalismus, ani strnuly socialismus, ale mix economy. Tak k nejakymu mixu stability a progresu bude muset (mozna) dojit i u blockchainu.

    Ono to neni jen o tom prijit s necim uplne novym, top atd. Je to o tom taky neco jakz takz stabilniho v tyhle sileny loterii nabidnout investorum. A IMHO ten kdo to udela, vyhraje long term. Takze If someone were to get 51% control, they have that control forever. And it’s true at smaller amounts too, if someone gets 5% control, they have that control forever. tohle je fakt vyhoda.

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