3 svetova.Bude?

[2299]

Spis nez svetova budou valky obcansky, mezitim co po evrope pobiha milion bubaku bez dokladu, po me chteli otisky prstu na urade, kdyz sem si sel obnovit pas <div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

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[treider]

btc kurz 2016 konec 600-1500$
2018 4000
2020 15K
pak uz muze byt cokoliv

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[Orbital]

Tak 2020 15K je tak ta spodni hranice. S tim, ze s tim jak je to ted rozjete se k 15K nemuzeme ted dostat v roce 2020 bez nejakyho silenyho dumpu, tzn pred 2020 mnohem vyse nez 15K. Ale zadny dump skutecne prijit nemusi. Btc teoreticky muze jit nahoru po S krivce.

Vse ted zavisi na tom, zda bitcoin skutecne bude akceptovanej jako investicni nastroj. pred 2 dny rekl CEO Goldman Sachs, ze je otevrenej vsemu i tomu, co mu nesedi. To uz je hodne velkej posun. Takze pokud ted ten vzestup ceny jsou uz nejaky soukromnicky insideri, co predskakujou skutecnym institucionalnim investorum, a ta cesta pro BTC se skutecne otevre, tak to muze jit v roce 2020 kdekoliv mezi 15-150K.

Jinak teda bych bral cenu btc jako BTC1x+BTC2x+BCH+XBG+dalsi forky, protoze co z toho bude bitcoin neni uplne jasny.

On ten bitcoin skutecne nema skoro nikdo jeste. Ten potencial k rustu je ohromnej. K tomu aby byl bitcoinmarket cap z 120 miliard 1 bilion dolaru neni potreba do nej nalit 880 miliard, tak to nefunguje. Staci mnohem min. A ty penize budou.

Bud budou porad levny penize a lidi to tam budou rvat protoze to prinasi vysledky anebo se zvysi sazby, prijde recese a bitcoin bude safe haven.


Myslim/doufam taky, ze uvidime do roku 2020 dalsi altcoin bublinu.

Bitcoin myslim 10x za rok nenaroste uz bez dumpu, ale stovky procent jeste uvidime. Urcite neprodavam, naopak jsem nakoupil ten 3K dip pred par tydny a porad jeste kdo me v tom plati tak to nemenim.

Ono taky neni za co moc prodavat. Fiat je k nicemu a do preregulovany realny ekonomiky s nizkyma dividendama se zapojovat nehodlam.
Myslim, ze ten velkej krach prijde. Cca v dobe kdy bude Okamura prezident <div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

https://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/m...strats-9028930

ted zrovna ctu hned pote co sem to sem napsal

z tech pohybu bitcoinu mi vychazi ze do nej jdou prave takovy investori jako v clanku

ale btc zdaleka neni tak likvidni jak se zda tak holt nakupuji v dlouhym casovym horizontu a tlaci cenu prakticky furt nahoru<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[neon3]

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Jinak teda bych bral cenu btc jako BTC1x+BTC2x+BCH+XBG+dalsi forky, protoze co z toho bude bitcoin neni uplne jasny.
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Je tedy rozumne/bezpecne mit btc v bitcoin core penezence pred forky? (ve smyslu, ze si pak ten prislusny bitcoin muzu vybrat)<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

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[neon3]

Ne, chci mít právě XBT. Nechci BCH. A chtěl jsem se ujistit, jestli když budu mit XBT v peněžence (Bitcoin Core) před forky, tak jestli je to technicky bezpečné v tom smyslu, že se mi ty XBT neztratí apod. ?<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

jo jsem cetl spatne

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[neon3]

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[Sklipkan]

Me by zajimalo kolik tech nakupu a transakci souvisi se skutecnym pouzivanim BTC a kolik je jen investice a sazka na rust, nebo nejaky skryti penez pred vladou apod. Prijde mi, ze skoro nikdo to realne nepouziva, realnemu pouziti vadi prave ta strasne volatilita. Predstavte si, ze mate prijmat a vydavat platby v BTC a ono to kazdy tyden lita+-10%.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[spy_press]

Ono je vzdycky otazka, co je to skutecny pouzivani, respektive co se z bitcoinu vyvine. Ono se rekne ze lidi spekulujou a za to kafe platej fiat, ze tedy bitcoin je bublina atd... Na druhou stranu, od penez by clovek intuitivne cekal, ze mu je nesezere inflace a bude moci snadno zadat platbu az nekam na druhej kout planety - a tomu se bitcoin uz ted asi leckdy hodi vic nez fiat.

Btw je priznacny, ze nedavno na Hacker Congressu v Praze priznal i Dedek z CNB kryptomenam relevanci do budoucna (dosud z ty instituce zaznivala jednoznacna skepse vuci jejich rozsiren). Celkem rozumne zaznela shoda, ze v budoucnosti bude vedle sebe existovat vic peneznich systemu ruznejch vlastnosti. Roli muze hrat i zdanlive takova blbost, jako je uzivatelsky pohodli, uplne me treba nebavi kazdou platbu pres internetbanking povinne potvrzovat pres sms. Nehlede na to, do jaky miry to je z my strany lenost a perverze, tak cryptos jdou jejim ruznejm odstinum vstric no.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

Ono to nelita +-10% ani omylem. Ja normalne prijimam affiliate platby a mozna za ty dva roky po mesici jsem na tom byl nekdy hur jednou, mozna ani to ne. Vetsinou je to hodne procent plus.

Jinak bitcoin momentalne na platby pouziva z procent obratu minimalni mnozstvi, ale to je nepochopeni situace. Money velocity u rezervni meny je mnohem nizsi nez u normalni meny. Plus samozrejme ted pribyly ty spekulace kvuli poklesu, protoze bitcoin neni jen mena ale i investicni nastroj.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

Ja si myslim ze penize a bezpecnost budou proste prave oddeleny od tech transakcnich nesmyslu a to zabezpeceni bude delat nejakej frontend. 3dsecure me taky sere, jednoznacne prestrelena bezpecnost, nikdy mi nikdo u zadny karty neukrad, limity jsou na kartach smesny a prave koneckoncu na ucte kde platim kartou nedrzim zadny vetsi penize.

Misto toho aby i normalni lidi meli dva ucty, kde jeden by mel velky zabezpeceni a treba automaticky doplnoval penize na ten transakcni, se zavadej nesmyslny opatreni vsude. No a takhle mozna za 1-3 generace snad zacnou fungovat ty kryptomeny. Lidi prejdou na cold/hot wallet. Ale bude to jedna mena nebo nejakej komplex, kde napriklad cold wallet bude kryptomena skrz blockchain a hot wallet buhvico. Protoze prepinat mezi menama v hlave lidskej mozek nebude.

Jde prave o to aby ta univerzalni mena zvladala to, o co se snazi btc u blockchain transakcni a lighteningu. Tradeoff mezi skalovatelnosti/rychlosti a bezpecnosti. Ten vzorec je nakonec videt i u placeni kartou, kde ty drobne lze platit i bez zadavani jakykoliv pinu. I platebni karta se teda da pouizvat v hot a cold modu, kde je jeste ten supercold 3dsecure mod, coz je na takovej nastroj proste az moc zabezpeceni.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[gugatronic3]

ono uplne neni nutne bitcoinem platit kafe prevodem z bitcoin core peneznky.. to mam spoustu nevyhod... ale platit to normalne revolut mastercardem, ktery si nabijes bitcoinem (treba pres bitwalu)... to dle me definice krasne splnuje "platim to bitcoinem", jen pohodlnym zpusobem... ja ted takto platim treba i parkovani...<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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