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[nerazzurro]

jo stojí, sám to používám... A nikdy to nezměnili ani nestornovali. U baseballu to je prostě umožnění, jinak by asi logicky nemělo pro sázkovku smysl tam ty SP psát s možností volby, zda chce sázkař vsadit s nimi nebo bez...<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

tak to proste pouzivas blbe, uz je to x let, ale divil bych se ze by to zmenili

Action - team against team, regardless of the starting pitchers. When listed pitchers are offered and there is a pitching change prior to the game, the moneyline will be re-adjusted and "action" wagers will be graded using the opening price for the new pitcher.

a ani trik u tech monelines nejde (u non EUR sazkovek)

When listed pitchers are offered, wagers on total runs (over/under) and team totals (over/under) and Run Line (handicap) and Alternate Run Line (alternate handicap) will have no action if a pitcher change occurs prior to both listed pitchers throwing at least one pitch.

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[nerazzurro]

jenže to máš Action u obou týmů (tým vs. tým bez ohledu na SP). A tak prostě baseball Moneyline nikdo na Pinnacle nevsadí, minimálně jednoho SP si zafixuješ. A na to už přesně platí co jsem napsal. Sázku na Moneyline prostě vždycky postavíš na SP, minimálně na jednom bez ohledu na druhýho.
(Action to Action si vsadíš třeba u Tipsportu, jenže ti SP vůbec neberou v úvahu, takže žádná storno ti při změně nedají... ti prostě berou tým vs. tým)<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

neplet do toho tu patou variantu eurojoke-sazkovek pls

proste toto

Co se týče tedy Pinnacle, nadhazovač bývá uveden a preventivně bývá zaškrtnut.
Ale vždy záleží na sázkaři zda chce vsadit tak, aby ten SP musel startovat. Protože záleží taky na sázce. Pokud sázíte na tým, kde bude klíčovou roli hrát právě ten SP, určitě ho necháte. Stejně tak pokud sázíte proti týmu, kde si myslíte že jeho SP vybouchne a vy díky tomu vyhrajete... Ve většině sázet na SP záleží a proto je třeba aby byl zaškrtnutý. Ale jsou samozřejmě případy, kdy je lepší SP nezaškrtnou, například když sázíte over na lajnu 7 a hází esa obou týmů... v případě zranění jednoho ho totiž tým musí vyměnit a to bývá právě ten SP n.6, což je samozřejmě salát, a na to musí reagovat stejně i soupeř. Přece nedá svoje esa proti salátovy, čili nasadí taky saláta a bookies pak na lajnu samozřejmě reagují a de třeba na 9... Což samozřejmě pokud nemáte zaškrtnuty SP, je pro vás velká šance na WIN a nebo náramný Surebet... under 7 by totiž měl kurs kolem dost přes 3.00...

je prece uplnej nesmysl a tenhle thread mazat nebudes

na pinnacle nemas sanci spekulovat na SP u totals timhle stylem jako jsi to popsal, protoze plati

When listed pitchers are offered, wagers on total runs (over/under) and PITCHER (over/under) and Run Line (handicap) and Alternate Run Line (alternate handicap) will have no action if a TEAM TOTALS change occurs prior to both listed pitchers throwing at least one pitch.

ten priklad v livku je super, sazet to, kde te cituju na euroSK je taky super, ale na normalni sazkovce si to proste nevsadis<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[nerazzurro]

co se ti zdá jako nesmysl? Napiš to konkrétně...

k tomuhle
When listed pitchers are offered, wagers on total runs (over/under) and PITCHER (over/under) and Run Line (handicap) and Alternate Run Line (alternate handicap) will have no action if a TEAM TOTALS change occurs prior to both listed pitchers throwing at least one pitch.
To znamená že uvedený SP (ten s kterým si vsadil, případně oba dva) musí startovat, zahájit zápas prvním nadhozem za svůj tým. Pokud se tak nestane sázky se vrací...
Ten SP je prostě podmínka tý sázky...
Když vsadíš bez SP, tzv.action u totals tak je jedno kdo zahájí.... a kursy platí ty s kterýma si vsadil


Zkus se zamyslet jakej má pak smysl to zaškrtnout SP nebo ne. K čemu by to pak bylo tý sázkovce, když by to nic neřešilo? Naprosto k ničemu. Čili by tam buď ti SP byli automaticky, a nebo by tam automaticky nebyli vůbec...

A jinak ty pravidla Pinnacle se nevztahují jen na MLB, ale i například na Japonskou ligu, kde SP nebývají napsáni...


Jinak to samý de například na BetCriss.

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[nerazzurro]

Kompletní pravidla Pinnacle pro Baseball... Zvýraznil jsem to oč tu běží

Baseball
Settlement of Wagers

Statistics provided by the official score(s) provider or the official website of the relevant competition will be used to settle wagers. Where statistics from an official score(s) provider or official website are not available or there is significant evidence that the official score(s) provider or official website is incorrect, we will use independent evidence to support bet settlement.

In the absence of consistent, independent evidence or in the presence of significant conflicting evidence, bets will be settled after a thorough investigation.

Pinnacle Sports does not recognize postponed games, protests or overturned decisions for wagering purposes. As long as the event is played on the schedule day, all bets have action. If inclement weather (or similar delay) pushes the start time past midnight local time, but the game is still played, all bets have action.

Definition of different Moneylines Wagers

Money-line wagers on baseball will be accepted in the following manner:

Action - team against team, regardless of the starting pitchers. When listed pitchers are offered and there is a pitching change prior to the game, the moneyline will be re-adjusted and "action" wagers will be graded using the opening price for the new pitcher.
Listed Pitchers - if both starting pitchers are not as specified at the time of the bet, the wager will be deemed "no action".
One Listed Pitcher - this is a wager on or against one specified pitcher, regardless of the other starting pitcher. If the specified pitcher does not start, the wager is deemed "no action". (examples: "the Red Sox versus Helling" indicates a wager against Helling. "Helling against the Red Sox" indicates a wager on Helling).
Please Note: Typographical errors in a pitcher's name will not be grounds for wager cancellation.

Treatment of pitching changes

When listed pitchers are offered, wagers on total runs (over/under) and team totals (over/under) and Run Line (handicap) and Alternate Run Line (alternate handicap) will have no action if a pitcher change occurs prior to both listed pitchers throwing at least one pitch.
A pitcher is deemed a starter after throwing the first pitch to the opponent's first batter.
Treatment for date or venue change

If an event is not played on its scheduled date all wagers on the event will have no action.
If an event venue is changed all wagers on the event will have no action.
Treatment if event does not come to its natural conclusion

If a game is called or suspended, the winner is determined by the score after the last full inning unless the home team scores to tie, or takes the lead in the bottom half of the inning, in which case the winner is determined by the score at the time the game is called. Monies will be refunded if the home team ties the game and it is then suspended. Events will not carry over to the following day unless otherwise specified.
If a game is called or suspended in extra innings, the score will be determined after the last full inning unless the home team scores to tie, or takes the lead in the bottom half of the inning, in which case the score is determined at the time the game is called.
In the case of a suspended playoff game that will be resumed in a span of 96 hours after its suspension, all wagers have action and will be graded after the completion of the game. If the game is not completed within the 96 hours following the time of suspension, then all bets have no action.
For wagers on Live Baseball all games must go 9 innings (8.5 innings if the home team is leading) and be played to completion within 7 days of the start time to have action. This rule applies to wagers on the Moneyline,Runline and Totals. Example: A live game is suspended in the 7th inning and is not resumed in 7 days. All wagers on Moneyline,Runline and Totals have no action even if the outcome of a wager is already determined. A wager on the Over 7 runs at a score of 5-8 is considered no action.
For wagers on Pregame or Live Baseball on a specific inning or a group of innings those wagers have action if the specific timeframe is completed, regardless if the entire game has concluded.
Treatment for double header games

Double header games are denoted as Game1 or Game2.
If a scheduled pitcher does not go in his scheduled game of a double header but in the other game, wagers are graded based on the Game, not on the pitcher.
Minimum time (length of event) needed for action

The result of a game is official after 5 innings of play unless the home team is leading after 4.5 innings. When wagering on either total runs (over/under) or team totals (over/under) the game must go 9 innings (8.5 if the home team is ahead) to have action.
In the case that a Run Ahead or Mercy Rule is invoked, games will be considered to be complete. Games wagers on runlines, totals, team totals and money line will have action.
Treament for first half wagers (5 innings)
If a game does not go five full innings, all first-half wagers (5 innings) will have no action.
When pitchers are offered for the game, all first-half wagers (5 innings) must list both pitchers. If either listed pitcher does not start, wagers on the first half (5 innings) will have no action.
MLB Regular Season Wins Props:

A MLB baseball team must play at least 160 games for wagers on its season wins to have action.
For grading purposes, no extra tiebreaker games for wildcard or division will count toward the season win total.
Grand Salami (Away Runs vs Home Runs):

The Grand Salami will be decided by the total runs scored in all lgames of the specific league scheduled for that day.
All scheduled games must go at least 9 innings (8.5 if the home team is leading) for wagers on the Grand Salami to have action and be completed on its scheduled day (games can finish past midnight if started before).
For the Grand Salami (Away Runs vs Home Runs) , the home team runs will be the runs scored by the teams batting 2nd in their first inning. On rare occasions, a team batting second will not be playing at their home stadium. In these instances, the team batting 2nd will still be considered as a home team for this proposition.
MLB Hits, Runs and Errors ( MLB H-R-E)

All MLB R-H-E wagers will be graded using the sum of Runs, Hits and Errors as grading factors. For example:

Runs Hits Errors
LA Angels 2 6 3
Cleveland 14 10 0
will result in a MLB H-R-E score of LA Angels 11, Cleveland 24

When wagering on MLB H-R-E totals (over/unders) or MLB H-R-E spreads, the game must go 9 innings (8.5 if the home team is leading) to have action.

If a game is called or suspended in extra innings, the score will be determined after the last full inning unless the home team scores to tie in the bottom half of the inning in which case the score is determined at the time the game is called.

For all MLB H-R-E wagers both listed pitchers must start, if pitchers are offered for the game. A pitcher is deemed a starter after throwing the first pitch to the opponent's first batter. If a listed pitcher doesn't start all wagers are no action.<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Yuko]

Skusam sa teda z toho vysomarit.
Podla mna toto:

Treatment of pitching changes

When listed pitchers are offered, wagers on total runs (over/under) and team totals (over/under) and Run Line (handicap) and Alternate Run Line (alternate handicap) will have no action if a pitcher change occurs prior to both listed pitchers throwing at least one pitch.
A pitcher is deemed a starter after throwing the first pitch to the opponent's first batter.

je v priamom rozpore s tymto:

Ale jsou samozřejmě případy, kdy je lepší SP nezaškrtnou, například když sázíte over na lajnu 7 a hází esa obou týmů... v případě zranění jednoho ho totiž tým musí vyměnit a to bývá právě ten SP n.6, což je samozřejmě salát, a na to musí reagovat stejně i soupeř. Přece nedá svoje esa proti salátovy, čili nasadí taky saláta a bookies pak na lajnu samozřejmě reagují a de třeba na 9... Což samozřejmě pokud nemáte zaškrtnuty SP, je pro vás velká šance na WIN a nebo náramný Surebet... under 7 by totiž měl kurs kolem dost přes 3.00...

Cely ten ojeb so surebetom, tak ako ho nerra popisuje dava zmysel len pri LIVE.

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[nerazzurro]

hoši vy mi dáváte

Yuko vole, kurňa, do řiti, do pí...

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Treatment of pitching changes

When listed pitchers are offered, wagers on total runs (over/under) and TEAM TOTALS (over/under) and Run Line (handicap) and Alternate Run Line (alternate handicap) will have no action if a PITCHER change occurs prior to both listed pitchers throwing at least one pitch.
A PITCHER is deemed a starter after throwing the first pitch to the opponent's first batter.

Tohle je přece naprosto jasný... Překlad zní, jsou li uvedeni SP, tak sázky na totals, team totals a run line, a alternative runline, nebudou platné, pokud uvedení SP nenastoupí (nezahájí zápas první nadhozem).

To znamená pokud ty SP máš na sázce, čili si je před sázkou zaškrtnul.

Pokud si je nezaškrtnul, tak není podmínkou sázky aby ten SP přece nastoupil, protože ho prostě nemáš na tiketu.... Čili házet nemusí a tvá sázka platí s jakýmkoliv SP co nastoupil do zápasu...


...........

Jinak to co jsem napsal byl prostě příklad, reálně se to mě snad ani mě nestalo co jsem sázel, aby se povedlo tohle. Ale celkem častý je že jeden tým vymění, dejme tomu hosté SP n.5 za SP n.6, a to nebývá moc velký rozdíl, takže ten kurs se nepohne tolik a lajna na totals třeba o půl bodu. (jinak ten příklad se v reálu určitě stal, ale já ho neměl vsazen před začátkem, čili se nestal mě... ta pravděpodobnost že se vám to povede je dost malá). Ale prostě to tak lze, proto jsem to napsal.

Jinak se stává se že dokonce u jednoho týmu ten SP není oznámen, čili je na Pinnacle napsán jen u jednoho týmu. Takže se automaticky sází s tím Action u jednoho týmu (pokud chce vsadit), ten SP kdo pude se samozřejmě dá předvídat, nebo už se dokonce ví na americký serverech co se zabývají zprávami z MLB., ale prostě bookies to chvíli trvá. Každopádně vy sázíte s Action vs SP druhýho týmu.

A je to další věc co bourá vaší teorii, že při změně SP, ačkoliv máte action, sázky stornují... To by přece byla jinak totální sračka od sázkovky, logicky ne? Hoši. Proč by tu pak byla ta možnost Action? Když by to bylo automatické storno při změně?<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Yuko]

klidek
vsetko je super
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[Orbital]

Zkus se zamyslet jakej má pak smysl to zaškrtnout SP nebo ne. K čemu by to pak bylo tý sázkovce, když by to nic neřešilo? Naprosto k ničemu. Čili by tam buď ti SP byli automaticky, a nebo by tam automaticky nebyli vůbec...

a tom to cely je, tahle debata, ze si nevsadis action u totals, vic neni treba resit

mas nejakou rozumnou sazkovku kde umis sazet totals jinak nez na listed pitchers? cela debata muze byt redukovana prave na tohle<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Yuko]

sazet totals jinak nez na listed pitchers?

je to tak
skusal som u vsetkych normalnych bokies a nikde sa neda vsadit "action" pri bete na totals<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[nerazzurro]

No a jsme doma, si to měl napsat hned...

A já si toho taky nevšimnul no, oni to fakt teda museli zrušit... Ale na ty totals to prostě šlo! nebo ne? . A nebo to nešlo, a já si to pletu s Moneyline a mám nějak zafixováno že to de i na totals... To je trapas

Bych musel hledat v historii svých sázek a to se mi fakt nechce... to by bylo na celej den... (používal jsem to action minimálně)<div style="font-size: xx-small;color: #0000ff;display: inline-block;text-align: center;width: 100%;">
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[Orbital]

no ja to pisu celou dobu

ver tomu ze tohle plati minimalne od roku 2006 a na 99.9% odjakziva a to prave proto, ze by slo delat to, cos psal s tou sazkou na zmenu na salaty

patrne jsi to vsadil na nejaky eurosazkovce tuhle "euroaction" a nejak se ti to spojilo dohromady
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[nerazzurro]

na euro určo ne, Baseball jedu jenom u Pinnacle a na trochu Crisu... Maximálně si dám u český sázkovky, když se změní ten pitching právě a naše sázkovky chrápou...

To je prostě jak sem to dělal občas u Moneyline, tak se mi zafixovalo že to jde i u totals...

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[Orbital]

no ceskou beru jako euro sk

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